looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. it is coming up on 10:00 in the morning and we have breaking news to tell you about. nbc news has confirmed senator matt baucus has decided not to run for reelection. this is significant. he voted against background checks but he has an a plus rating. there are adds run against him in advance of 2014. and so we are also looking at the gun control issue in the context of what is going on in boston. so let's start there with the latest. today members of congress are going to learn more about what

the fbi knew about the tsarnaev brothers. tamerlan is dead now. dzhokhar tsarnaev accused of using weapons of mass destruction. today the senate intelligence committee. >> there is no way we are going to rest until we see the information at our disposal. >> congressman william ketoing says he is traveling to moscow to get answers. congressman king and mike mccaul waiting. senator lindsey graham blamed a misspelling for the disconnect on dzhokhar tsarnaev's trip to russia. >> i think they did a good job of looking at him. the reason we didn't know he went to russia is because the

name was misspelled. >> we are learning about a motive. officials say dzhokhar tsarnaev told investigators it was because of their religious views and not because of ties to terror groups. they got the instructions on how to make the bomb online. i want to bring in the huffington post managing editor amanda turkal. good morning. >> good morning. >> let's start with the congressional briefings. two of them today. what are we expecting? >> i think we -- there are a lot of unanswered questions in the context of the gun control debate. where did the guys get the guns? at the scene of the shootout there were explosives, hand guns and a rifle. did they get it legally or illegally? they did not have a license to own a firearm.

how did they get this? a lot of unanswered questions. how much did we know about these guys before the boston bombing? it will be interesting to see what comes out of this. >> we are seeing the political divide that has become all too familiar in washington. some say we need to be watching these guys. maybe we need to change the laws so we can watch them. on the other side lawmakers say this is a free country. you can't just watch somebody because they are strong believers. how deep is the divide? >> we are going to see weeks and months of debate about this. same kind of othing we saw after the failed underwear bombing plot and the times square bombing plot, questions about holding the suspects as enemy combattants. if there is any evidence that the fbi or intelligence services

made a mistake expect republicans to seize on that and use it as an opportunity to accuse the president of being too politicly correct in challenging what they think is a war against radical islam. >> i want to bring in a republican from pennsylvania and a member of the homeland security committee. good morning. >> nice to be with you. >> as you go into the briefing what are your concerns and questions in. >> we want to try to know what happened as every other american does with a little more detail. i think you identified the questions that are out there. from the front end, what is it that is known by the authorities prior to the incident that may have enabled them to put the brothers under higher scrutiny. we are going to want to know about how they operated within the nation here in terms of

putting together their arsenal and how they were able to carry out the acts. what was known overseas, as well. i think some of the information that came out this morning appears to at least direct us towards the idea of inspiration coming from self-radicalization over the internet, something we held hearings on in my committee. >> let's start with the fbi. we know that they checked out tamerlan tsarnaev in 2011. they closed the case and then legally we are told they couldn't keep watching him. is that true? if so do you think that law needs to be looked at? >> that is an area that we looked at, as well, when department of homeland security introduced a program that was routinely looking at postings that were done in a publicly available way. we questioned the extent to which government ought to be

looking at that kind of information. the privacy officers had some guidelines that allowed that to fall within the correct action but is it different once you have some measure of effectively probable cause to believe that somebody may be inclined towards terrorism? and then they are posting jihadist messages. does that allow you to use a higher level of scrutiny on them? i think these are all issues that are going to be developed as we move forward. >> one thing is what we are doing internally and the other is our relationship with foreign governments. there is an indication that u.s. officials wanted to get more information of activities from tamerlan tsarnaev from the russian government but say they never got back to them. >> you have the russians who are looking to try to influence what the united states does to keep

this guy effectively from coming to their country. it is ironic he turned out carrying out the acts of terrorism here. i hope this allows greater communication. i suspect there is a level of distrust of motivation and bringing that information to us. there is recognition that he travelled not just once to russia and was apparently participating in a mosque in which he was becoming more radicalized religiously, but the second return trip should have created a higher level of scrutiny. we are hearing it wasn't known about because of a misspelling. >> so trip number one, the six months and then one after that? >> he was in russia at one point in time but then came back reporting to what i understand he had an extensive six-month trip a second time after 2011. so that's what i'm referring to,

the second trip. >> there were also questions about where the guns came from. you were a part of that group that introduced a bill to make gun trafficking a federal crime and give harsher penalties to people who buy guns. what does this mean for the possibility of reviving gun control or the overall debate? >> we have to know the facts to determine where the guns came from. my sense tells me they are likely illegal. we know they did not register them as they would have been required to under local law. bad cases make bad law and this is probably not a circumstance in which this is going to be very effective at being used as a means to heighten the call for higher registration of weapons because what we do know is 80% of the guns that criminals use do not come to them by virtue of them purchasing them and registering them.

more than 40% come out of the black market. this may just increase the arguments that those kinds of things that argue against greater gun regulation. >> thank you so much for being with us. amanda, let's look at this brand new "usa today" poll. it shows support is slipping. now less than 50% in favor of new gun laws. is the public more focused on terrorism now? are we looking at something that could hurt a push for new gun laws? >> the farther you get away from newtown i think that you will see sort of less public fervor. i know that gun control activists are really energized after the defeat of the background check legislation. and so now it has really energized them to create a grass roots movement.

public could be frustrated with the fact that the senate couldn't pass this simple background check legislation. the activists need to keep the momentum up and keep the public interested. >> i wonder if they are going to feel the decision by max baucus is a shot in the arm? they wanted to make him pay for his vote. >> it definitely could be. he was one of the lone democrats to vote against closure on that gun control bill. but i think the big question is as congressman alluded to is where the guys got the guns. if they got it on the black market then the nra will probably claim that that bol steres their argument that criminals don't follow laws. if they want to cross state lines and purchased guns in a private sale then that is exactly the kind of sale that universal background check bill would try to stop. that might give a boost to

people trying to push a new bill forward. right now things in congress are not looking good for gun control advocates. it would need a big change in momentum. >> a piece in the washington post called guns and terrorism a double-barrelled standard. imagine what our laws would be like if our nation were losing 30,000 lives each year to islamist terrorism, do you think for one minute that a young man named, say, abdullah or husseih or tsarnaev would be able to go to a gun show and buy a knockoff with a 30-round clip. amanda, is that what we are looking at here? a double standard? >> i think eugene robinson makes a great point. when you have high profile

terrorist incidents we need to do everything we can to address this so not another life is lost. meanwhile tens of thousands of people are killed through handgun violence every year. these mass killings get a lot of attention and spur action but people are killed every day by handgun violence and those are often in low income urban communities where the senate is sort of overrepresented by people in pro gun states. absolutely there is far less attention i think to the epidemic of handgun violence. >> and i do think that depending to your point of what we find out about this may determine where this conversation goes but i thought it was really interesting that the national memo, for example, outlined how the nra hurts investigations like this one because nra backs a policy. and that is something that would give law enforcement the ability

to track down where this stuff came from. there is at least one report in the los angeles times that the numbers, the serial numbers were taken off. so it's hard to say exactly where it will go but is it hard to see how it duoesn't foster some debate here? >> this touches almost every big issue going on in washington now from gun control to immigration. i think you will see a lot of debate about it. whether it becomes action in congress certainly remains to be seen. one thing that might get new attention is the bill to close what he calls the terror gap. right now the federal government cannot prevent people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns. this might be momentum to close what he calls a loop hole. >> i want to point out that later in the hour we will be talking more about the impact that the boston bombings may

have on the immigration debate. here is something else we wanted to point out. investigators are taking a closer look at an unsolved triple homicide in massachusetts and looking at any possible role tamerlan tsarnaev may have played. victim's families are asking police to reexamine the case. back in 2011 three young men were found with their throats slit in waltham, massachusetts. one of the victims was a good friend of tamerlan tsarnaev. has the fastest retinol formula. to visibly reduce fine lines and wrinkles in just one week. neutrogena®.

the mother of the boston bombings suspects says her sons are innocent. >> what happened is a terrible thing but i know that my kids have nothing to do with this.

i know it. >> in an interview with a british newspaper she is quoted as saying her son was set up and saying it is a big show and a spectacle. americans love a show. this picture shows the family back in russia when dzhokhar tsarnaev was just a toddler. friends and family puzzle over how it could have come to this. i am joined by a high school classmate of tamerlan who knew both of the brothers. good morning. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> you lived two blocks from the brothers and went to school as i understand it with tamerlan. did they ever strike you as any way out of normal, antiamerican, unhappy or violent? >> they never showed signs of any violence or wanting to harm people. they were great members of our

society. when i stopped seeing him around a few years ago it was a normal so and so is back in their country and we wish them the best. >> did you ever see a shift in his personality? >> i never once saw a shift in his personality. what i remember is a big friendly giant. he was a great kid who cared for people, more on the reserved side. that may be because of a tough adjustment to american culture and american life. he was taken out of his element. it is tough to transition into something so different from what you know. >> did he ever say to you it is hard for me here or give you any indication that he was truly not happy in the united states or anything like that? >> no indication whatsoever. and if he did have some kind of hard time adjusting to life here he definitely had an outlet and that was in the boxing ring.

he was good and he knew it. >> you coached dzhokhar tsarnaev, the younger one who in the hospital in high school, too. what can you tell me about their relationship? >> as a strange twist to the story for me personally i had no idea they were related until this happened. i coached dzhokhar tsarnaev in the high school soccer system. he was a great kid. he was social and friendly and make kids laugh. i didn't know that he was his little brother. i didn't know he was tamerlan's little brother. had i known that i would have gotten to know him. >> he told investigators it was religion and not a foreign terrorist group that motivated them. did you find them to be religious at all? >> not at all. i knew that they believed in

their religion and the standards that were upheld in their country but they never were ones to run around pounding their chest with religion or trying to recruit anyone or bugging anyone else about their religion. they respected life at one point and i don't know what happened. >> you would describe your reaction to when you heard that they were the suspects as shock? stunned? >> shocked. incredibly shocked. it turned from anger like everyone else in the country to being extremely confused and shocked and having to pick up the pieces and see what is going on. i'm really proud of the fact that a lot of people have come around to seeing how it was a good idea to keep little brother alive because it would have put our authorities in a tougher situation. they would have done more work and more digging had they put him down, also. we need answers. >> thank you so much for coming on the program. i want to bring in michelle

ward, a psychologist who studies predatory criminals. good morning. >> good morning. >> we are learning more and more about these brothers, the tsarnaev brothers. most of the friends, their pamly can't believe that they are even involved ichb these explosions. they describe him as a sweet kid. there is indication that tamerlan may have been thefluencer. is there such a thing? >> certainly there is. but this is such a unique case that i just don't know if we can jump to conclusions yet. it seems to me that everybody is shocked and surprised. usually if somebody is brainwashed they are not also acting in a different way in front of the public. if i think the younger brother was brainwashed you would start to see it in other elements of

his life. >> tamerlan's religious views apparently did become more radical in recent years. there is an article suggesting that a mechanism for radicalization is love for someone who is already radicalized, someone who asks for help. obviously that could be whether it is in a dynamic of older brother and younger brother. or we don't know if anyone may have influenced tamerlan. >> it seemed like the boys were kind of private if they were fanatic. we just heard from this gentleman who says he didn't see signs of it. i think aggression and violence is a complicated phenomenon. we are trying to oversimplify it now. these two violent aggressors don't seem to fit into any box quite yet. >> there is a new york magazine

article titled roar of the young male rage and it talks about the angry men who created mass killings. some of them had mental illness clearly defined or diagnosed illness. some were drawn to extremist ideaologies. it was easy to distance ourselves from oech of them with a variety of alienating labels. they have three things in common, their gender, their youth and their willingness to hate. do you agree with that analysis? >> i don't. as a researcher of aggression for me it oversimplifies a very complicated phenomenon. people have been looking at youth and testosterone as how it is related to aggression for many, many decades. of course, there is some

relationship. it is not linear and it is not perfectly clear. to say half the world's population has been, is or will be a young male. it is where research began a long time ago beutthe research on aggression and violence has come so far since then that it is almost taking a step backward. i enjoyed the article but i don't agree we can simplify it like that. >> thank you for coming on the program. we also want to correct something we told you earlier the boston herald reported that congressman william keating is planning to go to moscow. he is not going. and a news conference. flight delays are piling up after budget cuts forced the faa to furlo air traffic controllers. passengers on washington to new york shuttle flights could have

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boston is we have to fix and modernize our immigration for lots of reasons, national security reasons and economic security reasons. >> i'm in the camp of if we fix our immigration system it may help us understand who all is here, why they are here and what legal status they have. >> right now on capitol hill homeland security secretary janet napolitano is speaking on reform. let's bring in former pennsylvania congressman patrick murphy and republican strategist danny vargas. good morning to both of you. i think there is no doubt that the bombing has complicated the immigration bill process. rand paul asking to delay the bill until they know more about the facts of the suspects. what is your take? >> i agree with congressman ryan. what happened in boston does

emphasize the fact that we need to move forward with our immigration reform debate. part of the debate ought to include ways to modernize the way that law enforcement is able to work with homeland security. our immigration system today is broken. it doesn't meet the needs of our economy and security. we need to move forward with this debate on how to make sure that our immigration system moving forward does meet the needs. >> i'm hearing it sounds like a lot of the things i heard after 9/11 which is that you think really what is broken here when we are talking about this specific case is interagency cooperation. >> we have made great strides over the last ten or 11 years making sure there is better cooperation and communication. more needs to be done. in the case of boston the two suspects we weren't able to track their movements, what they were doing and making sure that we had a handle on some of the folks that did have the

opportunity or the proclivity to be involved in terrorism activities. >> if you watched yesterday some serious fireworks during the judiciary committee hearing. let me play that for folks. >> if you have ways to improve the bill, offer an amendment when we start mark up in may. i say that particularly those who are pointing to what happened, the terrible tragedy in boston as i would say an excuse for not doing a bill or delaying it. >> i never said that. >> i didn't say you did, sir. >> i didn't say anything about that. >> i don't mean you. >> obviously we have some emotions that are on a fairly short fuse there. what do you think the impact is going to be on immigration reform? >> there is going to be huge impact. i agree with my colleague danny. we have to move forward.

you know why there are fireworks yesterday? because what you are seeing in washington is a shameful delay tactic. they are trying to hold 11 million people in the united states and put them on the sidelines instead of moving forward on immigration reform and it is absolutely shameful. my colleague at center for american progress had a great piece talking about how we can pay off $832 billion for national debt if we just allowed about 300,000 immigrants to come in here legally every year. that is what we need to do. we need to move our economy forward just like danny said. >> politico did an analysis of what would happen if 11 million immigrants were added to the electorate. they found president obama would have won tough battle ground states like florida, colorado, nevada and would have come close to winning arizona. is that incentive for

republicans to delay immigration reform? >> i think there are political incentive in just about everything we do in washington. the immigration system we have today is broken. it is not workable or viable for our country moving forward. we have to fix it. the status of the 11 million people here who are undocumented that is not the only thing involved in the debate. it is about modernizing and improving our immigration system so we have something that is workable for our economy and national security and for our culture and our society. whatever happens with the 11 million, whether some move forward with a path to citizenship or not that shouldn't be the main impetus. the hispanic community is waiting to see what is done with regard to that portion of the immigration reform. >> will that stall it or move it forward? >> we have people like senator

rand paul who are trying to stall it. if the republicans were smart they will listen to republicans like danny who has a great piece on msnbc.com. instead of listening to people like danny and all of the americans listening to the far right wing. and the problem because they are not listening to an autopsy report is delaying this and it's a shame because it is wrong. it's shameful. >> we are out of time but we are going to continue to have this conversation. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks. as lawmakers are trying to figure oout how to move forward with immigration the case against the boston bombing suspect is moving forward. during the tense legal hearing at dzhokhar tsarnaev website the only word he could utter was no. three public defenders have been assigned to the case. iate am joined by the former lead defense attorney for

oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh. with all of the evidence in this case and we talked about the video evidence and forensic evidence, where do you start if you are one of the public defenders in defending dzhokhar tsarnaev? >> i am hesitant to comment on what another lawyer is doing. i suppose they would start first by trying to get as much of the evidence understood, the factual development, establish a report with their client. at this time with him in the hospital and given his medical condition they probably are relying upon the complaint and affidavit itself and whatever the media has reported on this case. >> there is a ton of evidence. i don't think they will be at a

loss of stuff to keep them busy. let's talk about strategy here. do you think that because he is the younger brother and there has been talk about how he was influenced by the older brother that that could play into this? >> it could. i mean, i don't know the case like the public defender. they are very professional and often the elite of the criminal defense bar. clearly that is an option they will consider much like the case of the d.c. sniper where the older man received the death sentence but the younger man did not although both were criminally implicated in the crime. >> we are way off from knowing if federal prosecutors will pursue the death penalty but if they do at 19 he would be by far the youngest defendant in a federal death penalty case in modern times. will his age make a difference?

>> possibly. only the attorney general can decide whether the government will seek the death penalty. and they are entitled to a hearing before eitherer the attorney general or the panel in order to try to persuade the attorney general not to ask for the death penalty. and then, of course, that only comes into play assuming the attorney general authorizes it if he is convicted of a crime which is punishable by death then the jury must decide. and it only takes one member of the jury to vote against death for a life sentence to be imposed. so the defense has a number of alternatives and considerations and i'm sure they will weight them all in determining their strategy. >> one of the things that we always hear in a high profile case is the possibility if it does go to trial and we don't know that, would they ask for a change in venue?

would you in the situation like this -- or is this such a big case that wherever it is tried it wouldn't make a big difference? >> my experience in mr. mcveigh's case is it made no difference in moving it to denver from oklahoma city. massachusetts as a state does not authorize the death penalty. so i suspect that a jury panel in massachusetts and massachusetts is the entire judicial district could be something that the defense could work with. otherwise they can ask for a change of venue to another location in massachusetts or sometimes the courts will move into another state in the same circuit and that is the first circuit so new hampshire, maine, rhode island and i believe puerto rico is in the first

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